Noble Samurai Topic: Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears

Noble Samurai Topic: Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ The Noble Samurai Community Forum en Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:57:54 +0000 Brent on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-1220 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:21:20 +0000 Brent 1220@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ Happy to help :) IceCube on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-1208 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:53:04 +0000 IceCube 1208@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ That was helpful. Thank you Brent. Brent on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-1204 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:41:15 +0000 Brent 1204@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ @Isha - Handy tip! Thanks for sharing! :) You're right, 80 SEOT was chosen because it roughly equated to 200 searches per day... 200 hits to a web-site is a 30 Day Challenge benchmark used for testing traffic (200 hits, at least one sale = a strong market). And 200 searches per day gives a higher likelihood of getting 200 hits very quickly. @IceCube - The SEOT >80 (broad match) figure was a benchmark "invented" for the 30 Day Challenge... A minimum threshold for traffic that we could tell 30 Day Challenge participants (many of whom had no internet marketing experience) not to bother with low-traffic keywords. Isha's got a good formula. You could go even higher than 200 if you wanted. Obviously the higher your minimum traffic threshold is, the fewer keywords will meet your criteria, the more time you'll spend on keyword research, and the more guaranteed your results will be. I hope this helps. Brent IceCube on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-1191 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:49:18 +0000 IceCube 1191@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ @Brent Yes, you understood my question correctly. Taking "rainbow trout fishing" as the example: My self formulated SEOT(phrase match) = 3600/30 x 0.42 = 50 So, for SEOT(phrase match), do you need to set a minimum figure? The minimum for SEOT(broad match) = 80 @Isha 200 phrase match/day x 0.42 = 84 So, your criteria for SEOT(broad match) is the same for SEOT(phrase match) IE. >80. I agree, it's a time saver to just look for 200 phrase match. ishabluebell on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-1187 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:13:12 +0000 ishabluebell 1187@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ I use the same criteria as the training, ie >200 searches, BUT it's >200 *phrase-matched* searches I'm looking for. Or if I'm looking for category keywords and the other stats are good, then I might lower the acceptable number of phrase-matched searches I'm wanting. I don't bother checking the Traffic numbers when I'm using the Keyword Tool. It's something I might calculate once I know I have a good keyword, but no point wasting time on calculations at this point IMO. It's bad enough having to do the searches/30 business... ;-) Thanks for the Advertiser Competition tip Brent. Isha Brent on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-1184 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:02:10 +0000 Brent 1184@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ Hi IceCube, To make sure I've understood your question correctly, I'm going to repeat it back. Let me know if I've misinterpreted it. Let's say you have a keyword that looks good in Market Samurai - "rainbow trout fishing" - and you want to make sure that you have the word order correct. You take the keyword and mix-and-match it into the Google Keyword Tool External: Rainbow Trout Fishing Rainbow Fishing Trout Trout Fishing Rainbow Trout Rainbow Fishing Fishing Rainbow Trout Fishing Trout Rainbow And check the traffic levels phrase-matched. You want to know what specific details you are looking at here? I look at two factors... <a href="http://www.marketsamurai.com/jing/2008-10-13_1255.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketsamurai.com/jing/2008-10-13_1255.png</a> The first is the traffic levels. The keyword that uses the optimal word order has the highest level of traffic. The more traffic, the better. The second is "Advertiser Competition" - generally the optimal keyword combination also has the highest level of advertiser competition. Adwords confirms the keyword I hope this helps Brent IceCube on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-1175 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 05:54:00 +0000 IceCube 1175@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ What is the criteria when we check which keyword variations is the best in Google Keyword Tool External? In MS we look for: SEOT(broad match) > 80 In Google Keyword Tool External, we look for: *SEOT(phrase match) > ? * Keyword Phrase Match Approx Ave Search volume/30 X 0.42 ishabluebell on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-1040 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:53:38 +0000 ishabluebell 1040@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ :-( Brent on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-1021 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:21:06 +0000 Brent 1021@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ <blockquote>Oooooooh. That is SO useful to know. Perhaps the Digger tool would find some more keyword combos that would fit your description... Isha </blockquote> SEO Digger will give you more keywords, but even SEO Digger's computers aren't smart enough to understand the English language in the same way that you or I might. :( Brent ishabluebell on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-1016 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:03:34 +0000 ishabluebell 1016@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ Oooooooh. That is SO useful to know. Perhaps the Digger tool would find some more keyword combos that would fit your description... Isha Brent on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-987 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:46:24 +0000 Brent 987@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ There's one missing element here. Let's say you have a keyword... "Rainbow Trout Fishing" The keyword variations are: Rainbow Trout Fishing Rainbow Fishing Trout Trout Fishing Rainbow Trout Rainbow Fishing Fishing Rainbow Trout Fishing Trout Rainbow HOWEVER... there's also the POTENTIAL that the most-searched keyword variation is: Fishing for Rainbow Trout or Rainbow Trout Fly Fishing This is one of the reasons why broad match is so valuable as it will show you where the traffic is. The problem with it is it can leave out important words. In general, phrase-match will tell you which keyword variation is the best. But this issue is one of the few places this strategy will let you down. Brent ishabluebell on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-870 Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:23:30 +0000 ishabluebell 870@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ Tim, that's been bugging me, too. For nearly all the keywords I've been putting through the Google Adwords free Keyword Tool, I get lots of broad match results. But put all the variations of the keyword into the tool for phrase-match* and I get zipadidooday. Here's what I've been asking myself: Where oh where have all the broad-match searches gone? Under the table? - no, not there. In the bread-bin? - no, they're not there - so where are they? I think Google's hiding them somewhere, but where they're hiding them is the mystery. I always learnt at school that 1+1=2, but Google seems to be bent on proving the teachers wrong... Isha *That's 6 different phrases for a 3-word keyword term and 2 different phrases for a 2-word keyword term timjamesbrennan on "Trying to Figure Out Word Order, But All Traffic Disappears" http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/topic/trying-to-figure-out-word-order-but-all-traffic-disappears#post-804 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:38:21 +0000 timjamesbrennan 804@http://www.noblesamurai.com/forum/ I keep coming up against a problem that I would really appreciate some help with. What happens is I find a phrase with great numbers in Market Samurai. I then go over to the Google keyword tool (https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal) to figure out the word order. The phrase scores really highly for broad match, but really poorly for phrase match. I switch the order of the words to try and figure out the word order, but still the traffic numbers are all too low. I have tried the same keywords with some added modifiers, but they are too competitive. I have an analogy in my head that market samurai is like a metal detector that will beep when you get close to some treasure even if you aren't right on top of it. Then when you are right on top of it you find the gold is too deep to be worth digging out. Is this analogy accurate? If so I am guessing I should ignore these occurances and move on... I would really like some advice (I don't mind if the answer is a complicated one).